Double Coda

• Jun 16, 2025 - 00:24

Hi, I'm having problems with repetition. With coda. In bar 53, I want the music to go back to S (bar 2) until bar 16, then jump to the second coda, bar 54. But it doesn't do that.
Can someone help me?

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In reply to by sidineigesser1

First thing to look at is the Properties of the two D.S. markings. Click on one of them (I have started with the one in m.34), then click on the Properties tab (upper left). The things you are looking at here are the Jump to field, the Play until field, and the Continue at field. Important to know the value of the Play repeats checkbox as well, but we're not going to discuss that here.

For the D.S. in m.34, we see the following:

Jump to: segno
Play until: coda
Continue at: codab

These are the default values. I prefer to give them more meaningful names, but right now we're just looking.

For the D.S. in m.53, we see:

Jump to: segno
Play until: fine
Continue at: [blank]

Now let's look at the labels on the other Jump/Repeat markings. The Fine in m.17 has a Label of "fine". The To Coda marking in m.17 has a Label of "coda". The Segno in m.2 has a Label of "segno".

So, let's take a look at what gets played in what order, assuming that you're starting at the beginning.

The music begins at measure 1 and plays to the repeat and the first-volta in m.17. The repeat sends you back to the start-repeat mark at m.2. Then it plays to m.16. Because this is the second time through this section, it skips the first-volta and plays the second-volta in m.18 instead.

Notice that we have not mentioned the Fine or the To Coda in m.17. They have not yet been triggered by a Jump marking (D.C. or D.S.), so MuseScore just ignores them for the moment.

So, again, the second time through the "A" section repeat, we reach m.18 and the score continues from there to m.34 and another repeat and first-volta. This sends playback to m.19 (first measure after the first second-volta) and it plays this "B" section again. When it reaches m.34, once again this is a second repeat, so it skips the first-volta and jumps to the second-volta in m.35.

M.35 also has our first D.S. al Coda, which the info we gathered earlier about the two D.S. markings tells us will ...

Jump to: segno
Play until: coda
Continue at: codab

The "segno" Label is on the Segno marking in m.2, so the score jumps from m.35 back to m.2. It does so INTENDING to play until it reaches the marking with a Label of "coda".

And here is the first problem: In modern notation, when a D.C. or D.S. jumps back, it DOES NOT play repeats. It simply jumps to the last volta and continues on from there. The To Coda marking with the Label of "coda" is in the first-volta, so MuseScore never gets there. In your source .PDF, you can see that the To Coda marking is not in the first-volta, but the measure immediately before it: m.15. And moving it there fixes the first issue.

So, we have deleted the To Coda from m.16 and added it to m.15. With that change, the music correctly jumps from m.15 to the first coda at m.36.

It plays from m. 35 to m.51 ... and CURRENTLY, just stops playing there. Compare the score to your original. And there we see problem two: The first-volta in m.52 has a repeat ... but there's no start-repeat for it to go back to. Add the start-repeat marking to m.37 (the key change). With this change, it now correctly repeats, playing the first-volta, then the second-volta and hitting the D.S. al Fine, which has the Jump values of ...

Jump to: segno
Play until: fine
Continue at: [blank]

The blank Continue at is correct for a D.S. or D.C. al Fine because it isn't INTENDED to continue anywhere. We expect it to go to the Fine and stop. So, it's going to jump to the "segno" label (m.2 again) and continue on to the 'fine' label in m.17. And here we hit problem 3. Once again, the Fine is inside the first-volta and will not get played. (There's a way around this, but it would not do what we want here!) So, instead, the music jumps the first-volta, plays the second and continues merrily on its way.

How can we resolve this? Well, we could put the Fine in m.16. This would make it stop there. But that doesn't play the ending of the song!

Your source .PDF has both of the D.S. markings as D.S. al Coda, pointing to two separate codas. Well, let's think about that. If we JUST put another To Coda marking in m.16, it would be identical to the first one and would just jump to the first coda again. That description also identifies the solution: we will add a second To Coda that points in a different place.

Early on, I said that the labels in the Jumps are all the default values. Let's change them.

The Segno is the only segno, so naming it simply 'segno' is fine. I usually number them explicitly (e.g., "segno1" and "segno2") even if there's ONLY a "segno1". But that's not necessary, so we won't do it.

In m.15, we need two separate To Coda markings, one pointing at Coda 1 (m.36) and the other pointing at Coda 2 (m.54, which you left out of your score, but which exists in your source .PDF). The default Label on the To Coda marking is just 'coda'. I hate this and always change these Labels to 'tocoda1' and 'tocoda2'. Doing this means that we have to change the Play until values of the two D.S. markings, so you have to be sure you get them right. I always change the Label on the To Coda marking and COPY/PASTE the value into the appropriate D.C. or D.S.

If you think about it, we'll need to do the same thing with the two codas (only one of which is written yet), so the Coda labeled 'codab' we will change to 'coda1' and copy/paste that value into the D.S. as well.

Then we'll add that final measure to be Coda 2, change its Label, change the matching D.S.* and **To Coda, and that should get everything.

It's late at night and I may have left a step out somewhere. My apologies in advance if I have, but I hope that I have explained what you need to do to make this work.

Final steps for you: add the ornaments, identify the appropriate tempo and add the necessary tempo marking (I suspect the default tempo of 120 is too fast), enter title, subtitle, and composer information (listed on the source .PDF but not on your score yet), and make the first measure into a pickup instead of putting the whole (unnecessary) measure.

You might want to also make the Brazilian/Portuguese (?) style D.S. markings as in the source. To do that, Hide the actual marking and create a text field with the text and place it correctly with Properties / Appearance / Offset.

Attached you'll find my copy with this work completed. Follow my instructions carefully on your copy and compare what you do to mine. You should be fine.

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In reply to by HildeK

so as not to be confused, our reference is the pdf (which in the previous message I said was the wrong pdf). but we will consider this pdf as correct, and as a reference.
actually I wrote the score from an old pdf, which had other information.
but after your wonderful and detailed explanation, I will write again from this pdf.

In reply to by HildeK

“apanhado te old.pdf” is the wrong pdf. I used this one to write the musescore.
"apanhhei te.pdf" is the pdf that you made the detailed analysis of.
In short: I wrote in the musescore, as a reference "apanhei te old.pdf", and send you at the same time, another pdf, "apanhei te.pdf".

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