MS 4.1.1, Dynamic not reset after diminuendo hairpin

• Aug 6, 2023 - 07:58

After a diminuendo hairpin, the marked dynamic is played at the previous volume. It is not set according to the dynamic associated with the new note.

OS: Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS, Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 4.1.1-232071203, revision: e4d1ddf

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My experience is only from MuS 3.6.2.
There you have to put the dynamic designation on the note in the third measure in each case, but you have to put the hairpin only on the first two measures. Furthermore you have to use a soundfont which is called 'Flute expr.' here (Mixer/Sound). It comes from an sf3 font.
I don't know how the different sound can be set in MuS 4.
Does the attached file from MuS3 work as expected?

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In reply to by HildeK

HildeK, did you open the score in MuS 4? I suspect that a v4 score may not be interpreted correctly in v3.

According to what I see on the screen (screenshot attached), the diminuendo extends to the third measure. The XML also shows that the hairpin extends for three measures.

       Spanner type="HairPin"
         HairPin   ...(removed for brevity)...  /HairPin
            measures 3 /measures

From the XML, the fourth measure starts with a 'f' dynamic:

        subtype f /subtype
        velocity 96 /velocity

The dynamic behaves as expected on the first three notes. The dynamic is not reset for the fourth measure. If there is a rest between the end of the hairpin and the beginning of the next note, then the dynamic value is reset as expected. If the rest is then removed, the bug returns, and the new dynamic marking is ignored.

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In reply to by bmiller793

Yes, I opened it in MuS 3 and yes, I don't know if the behavior is the same as in MuS4.
But there my experience is as I described: The hairpin may not include the note or rest of the new dynamic sign. Therefore, the third note will not get any quieter.
And I'm afraid it's no better in MuS 4, at least that's what I can gather from your description with the additional rest.
As a fake for the playback you could write a very short rest at the end of the measure, like in the attached picture. There is the pp applied to the rest and the hairpin ends at the dotted note.
And in this case: you may hide the stem, the augmention dots and the 32nd rest and it looks the way you want.
Don't forget: The flute player also has to breathe ... :-)

In reply to by HildeK

A breath mark should equate to a rest, but it actually doesn't do that in MS4. The workaround I found is to use a dotted half note, and tie it to a quarter note, and then the diminuendo works.
What, flute players need to take a breath? I thought they could all do the circular breathing technique. ;) For us tuba players, we need a foot pump and a hose. (That's actually what one fellow tried, and when the conductor saw it, the player was fired.)

It doesn't on Windows, either. MU4 seems to work a bit differently. Try this:

Delete the first hairpin. This should also take out the ppp.

Select the whole note in measure 3 and add the ppp. Drag it to the end of the bar.

Select the first two measures and add the dim. hairpin. This will look just like the original.

This played properly on my system. Although the hairpin may or may not play through the third bar. I think this is as close as you might get without a whole bunch of trickery.

In reply to by bmiller793

Yes. That is what I said.
Here's a different take. Open this file in MU4 you will see grayed out notes in the third measure. Those are in voice 2. If you don't, that's fine, play the file. I think this or some variation is what you want.

If you see the grayed out notes They are in voice 2. Goto View/Show and uncheck Show Invisible.

This was done by deleting the whole not in measure 3. Delete the dim. hairpin (that should also delete the ppp). Using voice 2, add a dotted quarter tied to a quarter. Place a ppp on the quarter. Place a dim hairpin from the first measure p to the ppp. Adjust as needed. select the voice 2 notes and hit "V". Go to the invisible setting if they don't disappear. Using voice 1, add a whole note back into measure 3. In properties set that note to not play. Tie the second measure note to the measure note.
You can use a different combination of notes than dotted half and quarter if needed.

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