MuseScore 4 Camera - Image Capture

• Jan 10, 2023 - 21:01

Where is the image capture feature in MuseScore 4?

I use MuseScore to create a lot of worksheets for my students and image capture is vital to creating the worksheets.


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The alternative for now is to take a screen shot and edit it in some kind of photo software. Paint in Windows, of example.

and it is still possible to export a score to PNG image, that could well serve as another workaround.

Windows users can try Win+Shift+s to fire up the integrated snipping tool

In reply to by ljtflute

Me too!!!!!! The Windows snipping tool is fine but almost impossible to get the same size box. If you don't, when pasting into another app, things don't align as smoothly. The camera tool is just more efficient in that regard.

The importance of the camera tool in Musescore is such that I may have to revert to Musescore 3 until the camera tool returns. That's a bummer I really like Musescore4.

In reply to by proverbs2016

Instead of resorting to settling for the vastly inferior engraving of MU3, better to just try a screen shot tool like Greenshot or ShareX that gives more control than your OS one, if the OS one isn't sufficient. Or create the examples as individual pages in a score where the page size is set to the desired size, and export them all at once. This will ensure that everything lines up perfectly, and the music will actually look its best. Not much good if the images line up perfectly but the music within them is spaced poorly!

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Marc, i am one of the people who is still using Musescore 3 because I use a lot this function. The image capture button it's much faster and smarter than the OS screen capture.
So, no, until musescore 4 has this feature i will stay on musescore 3, which works very well.

In reply to by gholst80

That's fine if you don't need the images to actually look good - MU3's notation is significantly inferior to MU4's. But I am confused about how the MU3 capture can be "faster" than others. All screenshot tools I have used are at least as fast as MU3's. If you explain your use case in more detail, we're happy to help show you how to accomplish it efficiently and get much better notation in the process.

In reply to by gholst80

If I among the ones still using MU3.6.2 over MU4.0 (I do regret the choice of the MU team to have favoured engraving and sound over workflow and usability), if I somehow disagree with Marc statement about how bad are the scores made with 3.6.2, I do agree with him on the fact that are nice solutions outside of MU for the screen capture. I use GreenShot even in 3.6.2 where I find it easier than the internal screen capture tool of MU. I'm mostly using the one of MU when I need to make screen capture in the SVG format.
What's your use case where tools like GreenShot don't work ?

In reply to by parkingb

No one favored engraving or playback over usability - on the contrary, some of the most important changes in MU4 are usability improvements. That was a huge impetus for most of the changes to the UI. Engraving and playback improvements were also important, but at no time did anyone make a decision that favored engraving or playback at the expense of usability.

Scores created in MU3 aren't bad of course - just objectively nowhere near as good as MU4. Say, 6/10 as opposed to 9/10.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Hi Mark, congratulations on the work you have at Musescore.
I am a music educator, I recognize the improvements of Mscore4 but I agree with the people who mentioned that the workflow in Ms3 is faster and one of those features is precisely the screenshot option (also the location of certain menus)
The ms3 screeshot allowed capturing directly in print mode or screen mode which saves a lot of time when you have to prepare educational material without having to export to PDF first and then capture (to obtain a print version). I hope the mscore team considers including this feature back in version 4.

In reply to by osakaiba

I'm sure it's being considered. But, to be clear: you can still very easily take screenshots in print view. The new Publish tab makes that super simple, or you can just turn off display of invisible/nonprinting symbols in just a couple of clicks on the Properties panel.

Also, not sure what you mean about exporting to PDF there capturing - if you're going to export - very useful for educational purposes when you needs lots of precisely-sized images = use PNG, or SVG, not PDF. And it will automatically be sized perfectly - that's the whole advantage of the export method. So for things like flash cards or silide shows or other cases where you need precise control over the size of the image, that's always been the best way. Screenshots are more useful when you don't care about precision but just want a quick grab, such as for a small passage within a larger score. And again, that's dead simple in MU4 - bpuslih mode, screenshot, done.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Has anyone identified a step-by-step procedure for entering realizations in a score using MuseScore 4? I've followed Marc's advice to create each realization individually, using my project's MuseScore template to set the staff size. However, when I export to png (260 DPI seems to be about right), the entire page is exported, so I trim the images in Photoshop. Somewhere in this process the quality of MuseScore 4's beautiful engraving is lost. If I try exporting to PDF instead, the quality is high, but I can't drag those realizations into MuseScore.

I'm attaching a portion of the original score that I want to reproduce (the publication date I'm copying is the 19th century, so it's public domain.) How can I reproduce those two realizations?

I have spent several hours patiently trying to find a way to achieve my goal, and I'm reaching the point of just printing everything out and using physical scissors and glue! The general advice seems to be to go back to MuseScore 3. Perhaps I can just use that version of the software for the scores that need realizations. Will there be conflicts if I run both versions on the same computer?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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In reply to by Cynthia Cathcart

For simple things like that, the easy way is to just use the screenshot tool built into your OS, or a third party equivalent. Have your paper set to white background and the score reasonably zoomed in to get a high DPI snapshot. Shouldn't take more than 10 seconds.

Exporting to PNG is useful too when you have dozens or hundreds of them and need a precise size, but really overkill here.

If you do export PNG, I wouldn't use Photoshop to trim - that's also overkill. A simple image editor would do the trick and there should be zero loss in quality if done correctly. Some tools probably exist that can trim the whitespace automatically. Or leave it in - it should be harmless (especially if you send it to the back of the stacking order via the Properties panel).

To be clear, every OS comes with a built-in screenshot tool that provides the same basic functionality (drag to create a region, click to capture an image), and there are also tons of free third-party alternatives. The facility in MuseScore 3 was nice and had some interesting features, but still, it's still extremely simple to create screenshots using the tools already on your computer, and as mentioned, you can also install others if for some reason the built-in one in your OS isn't to your liking.

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

Nah, I had to look it up again too :-). But I don't use Windows very often.

For completeness:

On Windows, use Windows+Shift+S

On Mac, use Cmd+Shift+4

On Chromebook, use Ctrl+Shift+(show windows)

On Linux, details may depend on your particular distribution and/or window manager, but apparently Shift+PrtScn and Ctrl+Shift+PrtScn are common

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

FWIW, these shortcuts leave in everything visible in the score, including "greyed out" markings. The image capture tool presented the score as it would have been printed.
These shortcuts also do not have the transparent background like image capture does.

I would consider these a workaround, not a replacement for what was, for many, an essential feature.

In reply to by ljtflute

Which additional tedious step? The tools I listed above are all single shortcuts, exactly as convenient as the image capture tool was. It is true that some of them may leave files around as well, and there are some other disadvantages, so indeed, I do hope to see the built-in tool return. But meanwhile, the system screenshots tools really do an excellent job and should allow 99% of people to continue doing their great work!

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

The more tedious steps are drawing the box around the desired content. Once you draw a box around and then let go of the mouse, the snipping automatically open's the capture in an app. At that point you realize how exact your capture was. If it was not so exact, then you have to repeat the draw. With the Musescore camera app, you just resize the box on the spot!

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

The tedious steps are to have to make all non-printable elements invisible before the screen capture and visible afterwards, that the (Window's) Snip tool does not remember the position of the last captured rectangle, that these tools do not provide SVG screenshots (which the old capture tool did - which was really useful for adding snippets to symbol palettes), ...

In reply to by parkingb

Publish mode already hides invisible elements. You can also define shortcuts for the commands to toggle these, if you some reason you need to make them visible and invisible often. So really it’s a couple of seconds tops. Bummer that the Windows tool doesn’t remember position - I wasn’t aware of that - but plenty of third party tools do. So there are definitely still very good options. If you specifically need SVG for some reason (most people don’t), though, that’s definitely something that requires internal support.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

A screenshot is won't give you the same results. Plus, for most people it is not as easy to create an svg file that can be insert in InDesign, for instance. If you are writing a book about music with staff notion in it a screenshot is of little help. Dorico's graphic slices seem to work fine, by the way.

The temporary solution of screenshooting with embedded OS function is really not an option for us teachers.
We need vectorized images (.svg) and not compromised/scaled images.
Also when you hide notes/pauses, the OS screenshot function can not really hide them.
Hope to be implemented in the near future.

PLEASE bring it back I'm a teacher making worksheets and exams and I hide rests and notes and bar lines to create 'wrong' options. Therefore a screenshot won't work as the hidden stuff still shows in grey.

I'm going back to version 3. There's nothing so useful in version 4 to justify the downgrade. It's not that easy to switch off those invisible markers and controls, colors and so on

I'll pay for Dorico just to have their "graphic slices" feature. To eliminate image capture from this 4 version is just preposterous.

Just going to chime in, the snipping tool on Windows does not give a transparent background -- I used this feature weekly for church bulletins, have to use 3 till it arrives on 4

MuseScore is getting WORSE. No FREE downloads anymore, only those that are in Public Domain. The screen capture has also been removed which is an essential tool for teaching.

In reply to by geromemarcilla

For the record, free download of copyright music is a violation of the law. The copyright holders need to be paid for use of their music, so that is why it is necessary for websites to charge for download. The alternative is being shut down for copyright violation. But indeed, further discussion of the steps msuescore.com has taken over the years to upholds the legal rights of composers and avoid being shut down in the process belong over there on that website.

As discussed throughout this thread, image capture is indeed an essential tool for teaching, which is why every single operating system provides this already, and why there are also third party tools to do it. So you can take screenshots from any running program, not just MuseScore, very simply. For example, on Windows, use using Windows+Shift+S. Third-party screenshot tools can provide additional functionality above and beyond what your OS provides, or what previous versions of MuseScore did. Hopefully the new MuseScore 4 tools will be even better still!

In reply to by zorba

Indeed, absolutely no one said or implied in any way whatsoever that it wouldn't come back. MuseScore is open source, so as soon as a sufficiently motivated person designs and implements a suitable replace, I'm sure it will return.

Meanwhile, though - not sure which system screenshot tool you are using, but it certainly shouldn't require post-editing. All systems I am aware of come with a utility that lets you draw rectangles just as the MU3 tool did. And while it's true the background can't be made transparent (unless you edit, in which case that too is possible), you can certainly make sure your paper is white, or whatever color you need it to be in order to blend correctly with its surroundings in the destination.

If you explain more about your use case - what OS, which screenshot tool, how you intend to use the screenshot - we're happy to help you be more productive today, while waiting for someone to volunteer to redesign/reimplement a tool within MuseScore.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

It is true that there are ways to do ALMOST everything that MuseScore 3 could do with image capture before. I know and use those tools on Macs all the time. In fact, Command-Shift-5 has completely changed my life in that area. You can choose the box size, choose where the file will be saved, etc. Thanks for the details of how to do other image captures as a workaround for now.

However (and this is a BIG however), those few things that MuseScore 3 could do are THE reasons that I dropped Finale for MuseScore and are THE reasons that I will be using MuseScore 3 until there is an update. So unfortunate, because I LOVE the UI and UX in MuseScore 4. It is a HUGE leap forward (with this one key drawback, that for me is a deal breaker).

I am unaware of any other program (and I have looked, A LOT) that can do these few things in just two steps: Copy and paste an image (without any digital waste left on my desktop, or in my downloads folder) and do it with a transparent background. I know how to do all of those things in about 4 to 20 steps in other programs. The transparent background is especially time consuming.

I really hope there is a way to get this updated soon. If I knew how to program I would do it myself. Does anyone have the email of the person who did it in MuseScore 3? Because I will personally email them, and would even be willing to pay a small amount to get that feature added.

In reply to by mattdougthorn

Meanwhile, are you aware you can get a white background easily in MU4? It would be quite rare to actually require transparency. But indeed, such special cases can exist. In those cases, if you don't mind much worse engraving quality in order to save the few extra steps t get the transparent background in MU4, then indeed, it's a reasonable option. Just realize you are giving up a lot of quality here.

If you can explain more about your special use case, we can try to show you how to optimize that workflow so you can enjoy the tremendous advances in engraving quality and still get the transparent background that your project requires in the most efficient manner possible.

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

I don't have MU3 on this new computer. But if I remember the steps in MU3, W11 is just as fast saving an image from a score with the prt sc function. Including resize and/or crop.
Yes, transparent back ground requires a few extra steps. Open free Photo Shop background remover web site. Open or drag image into it, and download result.

Power Point will also remove a background. As will many paid photo programs. If it matters.

I get that lots of people need the camera. Or are at least are used to the way it works.

In reply to by bobjp

Hello All!
Don't know if that will help anyone, but I've found out that the "Take Screenshot -> from selection" tool in the Mac OS Preview app provides a completely white background (which makes integration into, say, a Pages document visually seamless - it doesn't generate the slightly grey box/background that the MacOS Screenshot utility does when used on the page you're working on in MuseScore4).

Could be useful if you need to export multiple screenshots from the same score....

--> open a pdf of a score in Preview, then File -> take screenshot -> from selection
After you've made your selection it'll open a new Preview window with the selection, then File -> Save (and make sure the "Alpha" box is ticked.

In reply to by Mitch McGasser

Woop, aaaand I've just found what Marc was referring to about the completely white background available in MuseScore4, even simpler....
--->in MuseScore4 Preferences -> Appearance -> Paper, change the colour to completely white (as opposed to the default very slight grey)
Then the Mac OS screenshot utility will deliver plain white backgrounds, no need for the Preview trick I mentioned above....:-)

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

Hmm, what other markings would you want to overlap them? This also would be trivial to generate using export instead of image capture. Here's an version I whipped up in a minute or two in MU4, with the page size set to just enough for the content and no margin sot he graphic sits perfectly within, then exported to transparent PNG:

swing marking-1.png

I've also attached the score itself if someone wants to fiddle with it to improve on this.

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In reply to by Marc Sabatella

At your suggestion, I created a document with a very small page size to show only what I needed, with the intention of exporting to png. However, when I clicked on the publish tab, the program shut down. I tried a couple of more times with the same results. I tried it with a regular full size score, and had no problem going to the publish tab. I downloaded you "swing marking" file above to see if it was just a fluke with my file. When I opened your file and clicked on the publish tab, I had the same result as with my original attempt-- the program shut down immediately. I'm running the following: OS: Windows 10 Version 2009 or later, Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 4.1.0-231921402, revision: 2e3a93a. What do you suggest?

That's reallyy a pitty that this feature is gone... Even more terrible that the developers doesnt seem to care about it nor understand users' arguments? Lots of exporting settings that were at hand, and we could export PDF/SVG files from excerpts of the score... No screenshot app can do that actually.

In reply to by Paulo Rios Filho

What makes you think developers don't care or understand? I think every statement made shows we/they do care and understand, which is why a) it's been specifically mentioned as something being redesigned for implementation in a future release, and b) why we work so hard to help you see the workarounds that exist currently.

For the record, the image capture never did PDF, only PNG or SVG. And indeed, no screenshot tool can do SVG. But File / Export can, and it can do so with more precision and better reproducibility and better scalability (in the sense of being able to export many images at once) than the image capture feature ever could. That's why, for the extra-demanding situations where the precision of SVG is required, Export is my recommendation, even in MU3.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Hi Marc

You're right, I didn't express myself well when I said you/they don't care. Actually, I'm really glad for all the affort MU team put on the project. So I'm sory for that.

What I really meant is that this is actually a fundamental tool for researchers and teachers, not even comparable to system's native screen shot tools and similar apps. And it used to make a strong difference in favor to Musescore, when compared to other notation softwares, to me.

That we, users, have to drop hundreds of comments argumenting in favor of such a so obvious positive feature is a little frustrating... We all expect that a new version of a software keep the good features, not that they simply leave them out.

MU3 does export image capture in PDF - screenshot attached.

Nevertheless, what is important is to have a tool with such detailed settings to export image and with the possibility to export paths and not only rasterized images. Good to know that it's on the table for a next version of MU4. Thanks!

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In reply to by Paulo Rios Filho

I stand corrected on the PDF. I guess I never found that very useful and just forgot it even existed.

Still, though, it seems to me that if your requirements are so demanding that the normal PNG screen capture that most educators use with most software won't do, I still don't understand why you'd put up with the imprecision and inefficiency of actually drawing capture rectangles manually, when the export method 0- with absolutely precise control over page size and ability to export multiples images at once - works so much better. Feel free to start a new thread describing the unique requirements of your project in more detail, and we're happy to help show you how to get things done with the best results and the least effort!

Anyhow, again, it's already known that this feature needs to be redesigned/reimplemented, so no need to continue bringing up the desire to have it. But meanwhile, I really do want to help you see how you can achieve better results and faster than you previously may have realized was possible!

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Hello Marc, thank you for the responses.

The image capture tool in MS 3.6 was very useful for me to:

Export a system or even a staff filled with basic information that would then be used as a draft for a section with graphical or mixed notation in an illustration software, such as Inkscape.

I can achieve the same by exporting the page or the entire score, of course. However, the workflow will be much longer since, in the external software, I'll have to remove all unnecessary systems and information. With the previous capture tool, I just needed to export what I needed and work on it directly in the external software.

For this purpose, the ability to capture in SVG or PDF is very useful, as the capture tools of Operating Systems only export images.

In reply to by Paulo Rios Filho

If you are working in Inkscape then you might find this extension for Inkscape useful:
http://struckkai.blogspot.com/2023/05/inkscape-12-extension-musescore-v…
I wrote it as a workaround for the missing (!) image capture tool.

"Musescore 4 only can export whole pages but you can open such an SVG in Inkscape, resize the page sized white rectangle to your desired size, then press ctrl+shift+r to resize the actual page to your selection. Or use the new page tool of Inkscape (little button at the left bottom) to resize the page. Then run the Extension."
It will remove all stuff outside the page area.
(For Installation you can also watch the video of the "Inkscape 1.2 Extension: Sibelius Viewbox")

you can always do "publish" then "export" and pdf all the files like that
honestly i think thats easier for me for printing too

In reply to by jdaniel220

To be clear, as explained elsewhere in this thread - most operating systems provide native screen capture tools, and there are third-party tools to do the same as well. Between those and the ability to export PNG or SVG, almost all use cases for which people formerly used the image capture tool are still very much possible and just as simple. If you're having trouble seeing how to use these for your own specific use cases, just ask for help, describing the specific use case, and we can help.

But the standard thing where you just want a quick grab to paste into a slide show or text document, the screen capture tool already on your computer works beautifully. At most you might want to set your paper background to white in MuseScore - see Edit / Preferences / Canvas. This should suffice for most cases while waiting for someone to volunteer to reimplement a new screen capture facility within MuseScore as an alternative to the one already on your computer.

In reply to by zorba

Depends on your screen resolution, but when using older monitors it can indeed be somewhat less, yes - but still not in a way that would actually matter for the vast majority of cases.

Again, none of this is to say that it wouldn't be great if someone were to volunteer to tackle this, in the same great open-source tradition that has brought so many other amazing features to MuseScore. I'm just trying to help people get the most out of the program today. So again, if you have a specific use case you need help getting the best results with, please describe it in more detail and we're happy to help!

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

Indeed, but again, this is virtually never an issue in practice. The vast majority of people using this feature simply want to quickly grab an an image to paste into a slide show or word processing document. A few want to create more sophisticated documented with more precise requirements in terms of consistency of multiple images, and for them export is a better answer anyhow.

So again, most people in most cases can do just fine without the MU3 capture facility, and I'm volunteering my assistance here to help them do just that. If people need help seeing how to quickly grab an image to paste, I'm here to help. And if they need help seeing how to sue export to get both higher quality and better consistency across multiple images for more demanding cases, I'm here to help with that too.

Me too. Missing the Image Capture feature in MS4! -- Just adding another voice, so you know we still love this and hope you'll be able to bring it back.

But I did use the Print Screen and then cut it to size on Paint. That worked.

I totally agree with the fact that this is still possible with any system, but it is not nearly as simple as it was in MuseScore 3. Now it's a 2-step process which is tedious compared to the former camera capture tool which I used constantly. Anxiously awaiting its appearance in MS4!

In reply to by ljtflute

Hmm, which image capture tool are you using? Most have a simple keyboard shortcut to let you draw a region and capture to the clipboard - literally the exact same process as with the Mu3 facility. If you say which screen capture you are using, someone who uses the same one should be able tell you the shortcut to do this. Or if you say what OS you are on, someone should be able to recommend an alternative, if the one built into your OS lacks such a shortcut.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

OS Windows 10 Pro.
I just searched for print screen on my OS and found this....
Capture an Active App Window:
Use the key combo Alt + PrtScn. Unlike the whole desktop capture, this method captures only the active window of an app. It’s useful for quickly grabbing a screenshot of an app without including the entire desktop1.

Also it said there is a snipping tool that work well to get different sizes. Anyone have any experience with these?
Search for Snipping Tool using Cortana/Search. This tool allows you to capture specific areas of your screen. You can choose from options like:
Free-form snip
Rectangular snip
Window snip
Full-screen snip
Thanks.

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