Mordent symbol is wrong in MS 3.6

• Jan 19, 2021 - 21:29

Just downloaded 3.6, and there is no mordent in the ornaments menu, instead there are two inverted mordents side by side. The one on the left is supposed to be a mordent, and the tooltip still says it's a mordent.

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In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

No, not that I recall. But even if it were modified, why would the wrong symbol appear with a wrong tooltip assigned to it? It's easy enough to delete the symbol and add the correct one. Just reporting what I find. Scores made in previous versions using the mordent do display properly with the new font applied. So no idea what went wrong with the palette.

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

Oh, I see. Yes this was a huge discussion during the development of Dorico which I took a small part in. The symbol without the vertical line is correctly called a short trill or praller. The one with the line is a mordent. But, in a number of sources the symbols have been wrongly named, hence a lot of confusion over what the right names are. The Dorico team has done a very thorough job though. I trust they got it right.

In reply to by neo-barock

No need for factory reset. Just do this:

  1. right-click and delete the symbol called "inverted mordent" (that is the wrong name for that symbol).
  2. click the "More" button and the drag the short trill into the palette.

P.S. I am one of those persons who somewhere along the way learned incorrect names for these ornaments. I'm not alone, which is why MuseScore up until now has also used the wrong names, which I was continuing when reporting the problem. Clear as mud! :D

In reply to by 2142Kitch

What is actually happening is that for people who had customized workspaces, their modified palettes didn't pick up the change made to the international SMuFL standard regarding which mordent was which. So those people simply needed to update their custom workspaces.

Beyond that, it's also the case that different composers in different historical eras have used the same symbol to mean different things, and so you might in some cases need to workaround that if you are trying to use a symbol the way it was used by some particular composer. Sometimes the Inspector provides the necessary customization, somethings the Piano Roll Editor might help, other times simply adding two ornaments and hiding one but silencing the other works. In some cases, writing out the ornament yourself in an invisible voice or staff is best. Lots of possibilities depending on the specific situation.

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