Additional brass instrument "Baritone horn (Central Europe)" for the list of instruments.
S5 - Suggestion
The baritone horn (UK)/tenor horn (Central Europe) should be extended by the Central European baritone horn. It has a larger bore and a 4th valve, thus sounds fuller in lower registers and has a larger range. It differs from the euphonium common in Western Europe and the United States in timbre, construction and design. The name "baritone horn (Central Europe)" should be used for the list, "french horns" is suggested as the midi sound. The range is from Bb1 to Bb4. It must be entered twice in the list: (1) with treble clef as transposing instrument (plus one octave and major second) and (2) with bass clef in concert pitch.
B1-B4 or Bb1-Bb4? Different range for amateur and professional, i.e. are there models with larger or smaller range?
In reply to B1-B4 or Bb1-Bb4? Different… by Jojo-Schmitz
Sorry, Bb1–Bb4 of course. It is the range given on the German Wikipedia page. The low notes can be played safely without being a professional. Of course not everyone can play the high notes. Is this indicated by the different note colors in MuseScore?
Yes it would. If entered accordingly into instruments.xml ;-)
So Bb1 as lower limit for amateur and professional, but what about upper? Euphonium has Bb4 and D5 there
In reply to Yes it would. If entered… by Jojo-Schmitz
In the German Wikipedia the same range (Bb1–Bb4) is given for the baritone horn (CE) and the euphonium. In the English Wikipedia a range of (A1)Bb1-E5(A5) is given. However, I have noticed that the graphic file with the range has "bassoon" in its name. This seemed strange to me and I stick to the German Wikipedia. I don't know what the precise "demarcation" between amateur and professional in MuseScore is based on (on this Anglo-Saxon system of levels, which says exactly what you have to be able to master in level X?) Normally, lower tones make less problems on brass instruments, at higher levels it becomes difficult. From E2 to G4 you should be able to play as a (good) amateur. Bb1 is a natural tone (without valve) and can also be played on the baritone horn (UK), euphonium, trombone, tenor trombone (Bb1 is red in MS on these instruments). The following notes up to Eb2 require a 4th valve. Almost all baritone horns have a 4th valve (also allows alternative fingerings for better intonation), so these notes should also be olive green. There are certainly brass players who go beyond Bb4. Theoretically everything is possible, but at some point a note like this doesn't sound good anymore or sounds like a dog whistle.
So my suggestion would be:
OK, so like this.
In reply to OK, so like this. See https:… by Jojo-Schmitz
Looks good. For the tenor horn (CE) and euphonium (also applies to trombone and tenor trombone) the Bb1 should still be olive green. It is playable as a natural tone on these instruments. On a euphonium with 4 valves (not rare) the otherwise missing notes B1 to Eb2 are also playable (→ olive green). Apart from this, B1 to Eb2 can be played by good brass players as so-called false tones even without the 4th valve (But this is difficult, red is OK.).
I haven't changed any ranges, just added those Bartiton Horns and set theirs.
In reply to I haven't changed any ranges… by Jojo-Schmitz
I know ;o) I only noticed it in comparison to the well defined baritone horn (CE). Of course this would be a different issue. By the way, on the French Wikipedia page the same range is given for the euphonium as on the German one.
Fixed in branch master, commit 58355be681
_fix #301656: add "Baritone Horn (Central Europe)"
basically sound similar to Baritone Horn and range similar to Euphonium_
Fixed in branch master, commit 1e51a5538e
_Merge pull request #5764 from Jojo-Schmitz/baritone-horn
fix #301656: add "Baritone Horn (Central Europe)"_
Automatically closed -- issue fixed for 2 weeks with no activity.
In reply to Auto close by System Message
I'm suggesting to reopen this and remove the instrument. It is not different enough from baritone horn to justify a separate variant.
This also creates additional clutter and user confusion.
In reply to I'm suggesting to reopen… by Daniel
Since the list of musical instruments is a list of the world's musical instruments, differences in usage and naming must also be taken into account.
If a future Musescore version had the option that one could specify a language for the instrument names in scores (i.e. independent of the GUI language), one could possibly approach such naming problems differently. This would be useful either way, for example, if you are transcribing baroque music and would like to have Italian names, or for brass bands, English names, etc.
As for the baritone horn (Central Europe), there is an extensive German-language discussion: https://musescore.org/en/comment/981167#comment-981167
The Anglo-Saxon baritone horn is not the Central European baritone horn, but the tenor horn there, which has a different ambitus. I also wonder where the problem is, since primarily the general instruments are displayed, which shows only the most common instruments and is therefore very clear. Perhaps you can elaborate on what is so confusing about this?
In reply to Since the list of musical… by enkidu
It is very simple.
It is not a distinct instrument, but simply a preference in physical attributes in the same way a rotary vs. piston tuba or trumpet is a preference.
There is a slight difference in timbre and there are rotary valves vs. piston. That is it.
Again, no other notation software adds this type of instrument, because it is not a different instrument from the baritone horn.
After reading through the German discussion, it seems it was focused on Alto vs. Tenor vs. Baritone horn.
Tenor horn is, indeed, missing and should be added.
One more point of clarification of the instruments in relation to full rage of sax horns.
Sopranino Cornet in C/B♭
Soprano Cornet in E♭
Flugelhorn in B♭
Tenor Horn in E♭ (Alto Horn in US English)
Baritone Horn in B♭
Euphonium in B♭
Tuba in B♭/C/E♭/F
Bass Tuba in E♭/F
Contrabass Tuba in CC/BB♭