Scaling for printing...

• Feb 19, 2013 - 04:55

Sorry - newbie question here. I have an SATB + Piano Accomp. score (sort of ready) for printing. I'm not planning to use the Piano parts but I want to print them as part of the score.

I've scaled the whole thing down so it (almost) fits on 3 pages (1 meas. left over), however there's lots of white space left on the page. What I want is to scale UP the 4 vocal lines (including lyrics) - making them easier for singers to read - while leaving the piano part smaller. (I'm a singer - I love accompanists but I have no mercy on them! )

I also want to force the one hanging measure back onto Page 3.

I know I'm asking a lot - but I figure that if I don't ask I won't know if it's possible or not. But don't worry - I'm used to hearing Mick Jagger quoted when I ask for things. (You know, "You can't always get what you waaaaant." .)



You could change the properties of piano part to small. I'm not sure whether this then allows for increasing the scaling of the entire score (which would make everything larger) though, but it is certainly worth a try
To force that last 'stray' measure back onto page 3, select a bunch of measures and use the { key to condense these.

Other than that I second what Franz wrote...

Sorry - I could have attached the file but, for some reason, decided that it wouldn't be worth the bandwidth. Ok, dumb mistake.

As an aside, this is the same file that I'm trying to change all the lyrics in (see the other question I posted) so it's really not done yet. Don't spend too much time on it as I still have to do all the text underlay.

Oh, and if "you" (whoever and wherever you are, donating all this time to solving the difficulties and creating a great new package!) don't want me to have to post this or similar questions again, just point me to the section of the Handbook that deals with it.

And as a further aside (and I know you're already tired of being told this) the Manual (Handbook, whatever) really needs a TOC (and while I'm happy to whine about what I want, and would in fact be happy to help, I didn't even know that multiple endings are referred to as "volta" so I'm not sure I'd be much use...)

Thanks to all, and I really do want to sound supportive - I don't want my comments taken as criticisms!



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In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

You're right - I just automatically put the voices on separate staves but they do take that much more space.

Question: Is there a simple way to combine two staves? I haven't tried, but I can imagine creating a new staff (SA) then copying the notes etc from Soprano, then Alto, and pasting them onto the staff.... I guess the trick would be to set V1 and V2, with stems opposite on the same staff. But really, I was looking for a command that went: Staff 1, Staff 2 > combine. And that would do all the work.

Ok, maybe not.



In reply to by Shoichi

Great job combining staffs - 2 questions. (Obvious) How did you do it (other than rekeying the whole piece in)? and 2) Given that the Tenor/Bass parts are in the Tenor cleff, what\s the easiest way to have it simply respell in the Bass clef? (We poor basses can't read all that fancy tenor clef stuff )


I found it, and it works, but it is bigger than I would want it to be. Is there any thought of allowing it to "dock" in the Toolbar? (Or maybe it already does and I didn't find out how...)


In reply to by Roger Priddle

Normally, you don't need the separate play panel - the playback toolbar right below the main menu toolbar does what you need. And actually, I rarely touch those buttons - space bar to start, space bar to stop - that's 99% of what I need. Had you perhaps not noticed that?

The only thing one would normally beed the play panbel for is to temporarily scale the tempo -(like if you entered a tempo of 200bpm on the score, but wish to hear playback slower for some reason). And, I suppose, to swet Swing playback. But neither are operations most people would be doing often. I suppose for practice purposes, the temporary tempo scaling is useful, and some might use it more extensively. Still, the window isn't that big, and can be resized smaller still and moved out of the way. Or am I misunderstanding what you are wanting?

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Marc - It was Tempo that was the issue. And you're right, most of what I need regularly is on that bar. But I keep forgetting about the control. Resizing and moving the window is not a big deal - but finding it was! Now that I know where it is, it shouldn't be a problem any more.

However, this does bring up a question - somehow, on this score I somehow entered a tempo that is much too fast on playback. I've looked around the menus but haven't found where I can make a permanent adjustment to the tempo. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places - like any complex programme, MuseScore has a lot of layers, and what is an obvious relationship to some (both in terms of related functions and in language used) may not be as obvious to others. It's all part of the learning curve for the new user - that, and appealing to the Forum for help!

Again, thanks -this is a great community.


In reply to by Roger Priddle

The default tempo is 120, so if you didn't explicitly override it, that's what you get. If you want something other than 120 - of even if you want 120, but want people reading the score to *know* you want 120 - then you need to enter a tempo text - see Tempo . So either you accidentally did enter a tempo text, in case, just delete it (it might say "allegro" or something like that), or else, it's just playing back the default 120 but that's too fast for the piece.

The manual is a bit misleading, implying that the Play panel is a good way to set the overall tempo for the piece - it isn't. Think of it as a temporary scaloing to be applied during playback, much as zooming in on a score doesn't actually change the size for printing.

In reply to by Roger Priddle

I do not speak English, I'm not a computer expert, I'm not a musician.
I sang in a choir as a bass, then I discovered MuseScore.
Great!!! No more hunting (of poor and illegible photocopies) of scores.
Many answers you can find in the forum, a simple search is enough, and the answers better than mine.

The standard format, as mentioned, is very good but everyone can customize the page.
Personally, if a score is very large, for convenience, I use two methods:
I write four voices (SATB), each on his staff, usually without accompaniment (the organist has his sheet music;-). Then I add a text frame with the other strophes;
I write four voices on two lines and text only between A and T;
I can delete the name of the tools and decrease the size of the measures (if the notes are not too crowded)
So I can have fewer pages and more readable.

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In reply to by Shoichi

Shoichi : many thanks - the example you attached gives me some good ideas to go with.

And I'm sure that your English is much, much better than any attempt I might make in your first language! Your help is greatly appreciated.


Are you aware that you can create "Parts" from a score?

Create your score. Once it is finished go to File->Parts. Create a new part, check the boxes and you can have, for example, Soprano only, Soprano+Piano, Tenor+Bass.

If you put the Piano at the top and add the lyrics to the bass line of the piano then create parts for each voice with Piano at the top followed by that voice then you only need to enter the lyrics once.

In reply to by underquark

I just finally read your post carefully and understood what you've done - that's brilliant.! I'm not sure how often I'd use it but what a great example of lateral thinking!

In an effort to get a more "standard" look, do you know if it's possible to add lyrics to above the top line treble clef? Could you then have the vocal line above with the lyrics and piano constant below? (note - I'm good at coming up with weird ideas, less good at solving them.)


In reply to by Roger Priddle

You talking to me?
It is not a good idea.
But musescore leaves us free to customize (
The standard you can find out by looking at the scores of or sheet music (which certainly have on hand).

Tasks for the holidays (if you allow me to joke):
Watching Movies "Getting started" on the bottom left on the home page;
Share the work, save online or on site.
Best regards, Franz

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