can't readjust beam horizontally

• Sep 1, 2016 - 22:32

Sorry if this has been discussed previously (did a couple of searches and couldn't find anything). Am having trouble making a beam shorter to match notes I've repositioned. See attached example. In first measure is the original scoring, automatic with musescore. In second measure is my repositioning of the notes and note-stems--but no matter what I do, I can't make the beam shorter to match. What am I missing?

Note: this is, of course, just an example. In my real score, I very badly need to move these notes over to the left for purposes of legibility.

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There is something disctinctly odd about that second measure, what with the extended beams and ledger-lines, but I am not sure what the cause is. One could spend a lot of energy and effort trying to figure it out, but the practical solution is to blank out the measure (Select + DELETE) and start over (or paste-in a copy of the first measure). That would give you this:

Beam fix 2.png

IMO as a non-programmer, there was probably a minor bug in 2.0.1 (the version you used to create this score) which caused this behaviour, but since that version is now officially outdated, I don't think there's much point in trying to identify it unless the same behaviour shows up in the current stable release, 2.0.3.

Marc? Nicolas? Thoughts on this one?

In reply to by Ironword

Hmm. Interesting. When I open the 'Info' dialogue for your score, it tells me that the score was created using 2.0.1. I have wondered a few times if that has anything to do with the fact I run 2.0.1....

More to the point, were you able to solve your problem by re-writing that measure?

In reply to by Recorder485

No. In fact, I just attempted to rewrite the measure in a brand-new score with no styles applied, just straight-up vanilla Musescore defaults. But when I try to move the notes over to the left in this brand-new vanilla score, the same problem recurs.

However, even if rewriting the measure would work, doing that in the actual score is not really an option because this is an analysis, not a score for performance. Nevertheless I am fingering it so readers can play through it if they wish. Thus I have not only text comments all over the place, but am also attempting to add full fingering. And I mean FULL fingering, including not just string number and finger number but also plucking finger and fret number (this is specifically aimed at non-classical, non-jazz guitarists, many of whom can't read very well, and I'm philosophically opposed to tablature, so I'm including complete fingerings which have all the info tab would offer).

Attached is the whole score (at least as far as I've currently finished) so you can see what I'm talking about. Not something that you (or I) would want to have to recreate all over again.

The first part of the first measure is what we're focusing on here. The need to smush that very first quarter-beat all together arises from the necessity of cramming additional fingering directions into the beginning of the second quarter-beat, the V7 chord, which is only partly fingered at the moment. The reason the fingering isn't there already is because there's no room. But if I could smush the first quarter-beat over to the left, there would be room.

Oh, and since everyone's a critic [ ;) ], no, in the rest of the snippet the analysis is not yet complete. I still have to deal with the actual modulation. But I decided to put in all the guitar fingering first, and now I'm stuck on this first measure.

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In reply to by Ironword

There is a huge horizontal offset applied to the last notes of measure 2, so no surprise the layout is wacky. Not sure what you were trying to do exactly - create more space between the third and fourth notes? - but whatever it was, there was probably better way to accomplish the goal. Either use the *chord* offset for the third note rather than moving the individual notes of the chord, or else add segment leading space to the fourth note, or just stretch the measure - not really clear what the best answer is.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

> There is a huge horizontal offset applied to the last
> notes of measure 2, so no surprise the layout is wacky.

Not sure what you mean. As far as I know, I did nothing different to measure 2; should be exactly the same as measures 1 and 3.

And anyway, whatever I inadvertently may have done to measure 2 has no bearing on the problem of not being able to move the beam. If you read my second post above, you'd have known that I attempted to rewrite the measure from scratch in a completely brand-new, vanilla default score with no styles applied, or indeed anything else. And I still could not move the beam to the left.

> Not sure what you were trying to do exactly - create
> more space between the third and fourth notes

Yup--that exactly.

Anyhow, thanks very much for recommending the leading-space and Chord possibilities. Both are proving helpful. I suppose I should have thought to try the leading/trailing space, but I never would have experimented with "Chord" unless someone had drawn it to my attention.

In reply to by Ironword

"Not sure what you mean. As far as I know, I did nothing different to measure 2; should be exactly the same as measures 1 and 3."
See you have done (accidentally maybe/or by inadvertency) in the Inspector:
By clicking on the two notes, you observe the Horizontal offset (in "Element" section, your mistake) is: -23,90sp!
1ère note.jpg 2ème note.jpg

Reset the value to the default (same thing for the stem), and all is right.
barre de.jpg 4ème photo.jpg
See the fixed score: 1 NoteMovemtExpt-1.mscz

And yes, if you want add some space between the notes, use horizontal offset in "Chord" section

In reply to by Ironword

Hopefully cadiz1' explanation helps you see what I meant about the offet - it was the only note in your original example that had this,and that's why the ledger lines were so long. Moving individual notes is for, well, moving individual notes, not for moving the whole chord.

The dfifferent between moving a chord and adding leading space becomes clearer if there are other staves. Adding leading space keeps the vertical alignment - everything at that time position moves to keep it all aligned. Moving the chord moves it out of alignment with other notes on other staves that happen at the same time. Sometimes the first is what you want, sometimes the second.

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